Well Trevor,this is the same taktik as I use when I meet this newborn christians,to have them understand that we are not going to burn inn hell,and that we not can say yes to this military man who tell us we must kill Vietnames man and women, fare away from home.
Some have listen, and they say thy are free from the fear of hell and happy to have the hope to live on earth fore ever.
They also say they are happy to now that Fadher is one and his son is hes son as the bibel say,and now trinyti mysterius things.
Forgeve mee my friend but i couldn´t resist this answer.
happy man
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Opening the Door
by trevor inopening the door.
in order to make the reasoning mechanism of a witness function, the facts you have must reach the mind.
if the wall cannot be penetrated, how do you reach the mind of the witness?.
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the DEMONS !!
by refiners fire inthere is constant talk about sex here, false prophecy, preaching work etc.. but noone talks much about the demons.
i know i was frightened of them.my entire youth, every night, was spent engaging in paranoid little rituals to protect me from the demons.. watchtowers under the pillow, lights on, bible open by the bed.. and me wide awake listening to every tree branch creak, every board crack as the house setlled for the night.. i still have problems (occassionaly) even now.. who was terrified of the demons??
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A-man.
Is it so terribel,some can give mee a link to spelling program or what you calld it,but i think it will broke down when i write.
But i have only read english for 3 years and this was 30 years ago .
Troll,whats that ?
the only troll i now is the french conection CELIA.
She wo have take away all my sweet dreams of french girls
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the DEMONS !!
by refiners fire inthere is constant talk about sex here, false prophecy, preaching work etc.. but noone talks much about the demons.
i know i was frightened of them.my entire youth, every night, was spent engaging in paranoid little rituals to protect me from the demons.. watchtowers under the pillow, lights on, bible open by the bed.. and me wide awake listening to every tree branch creak, every board crack as the house setlled for the night.. i still have problems (occassionaly) even now.. who was terrified of the demons??
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Well dakotA,AS GROWING UPP jW I HAVE NEVER THINKING OF DEMONS,WHY , i was protected from them,wasnt i. So no problem for mee,and i must say i was radher surprised when on this bord read who many who sufferd from this. Butn now when i going inn to this bords scary things happend,like loosing my money on stocks ,loosing contracts on works,and other mystical things,perhaps the demons are starting war against mee?
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CULT, if JW ,how about Christ?
by happy man inwhen so much peopel say jw is a cult,comperd to the most religions we are very diffrent yes.. but if we go back to christ and was he was teching,you must say this was a cult to, he was telling he was the only one, a remark as you say on a cult, he was saying he come from the lord also a remark as you say,he was telling you must obey him also a remark on a cult as you say, he say if you dont se him as the son of the lord you have no life ,also a remark on a cult as you say,and he say he give his follower power from heaven, oups this is a very bigg remark on a cult.. littel confusing isnt is?
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Here is the list, compare this to what the first Christians was lerning, and you must say ther was a cult ,a very bigg cult.
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An exhaustive study has been done on the behavior of cult groups - In several books about "cults", they enumerated 21 major points where you can identify the traits of a cult-like organization. Bear in mind that the authors did not target Jehovah's Witnesses as a specific group at all, which made it all the more frightening! But this dissertation generalized all cult-groups existing in the world...
1. Control-oriented, arrogantly assertive, power-posturing leadership.
2. Authoritarian and legalistic with dictatorial, dogmatic doctrines that are proclaimed to be "the Truth".
3. Claims of being the channel of communication between God and humankind; having unique knowledge that makes them special. If members do not submit to its dictatorial rule, the leaders emphasize that any waver of support to the organization or church is evidence of waver of faith in God.
4. Manipulation of members by guilt, shame, blame, and fear.
5. An "Us-versus-Them" view, a perception of being under persecution.
6. Demanding, rigid lifestyles and overwhelming service requirements.
Members' lives are controlled by both spoken and unspoken rules.
7. Loss of focus on God, replaced by a complicated process of furthering the church or organization and its rules.
8. Followers "in pain", hiding real feelings that oppose or disagree with the religious system.
9. Intolerance of individual thinking, and of criticism of the religious system by its members. Fosters an unhealthy dependency by focusing on themes of submission, loyalty, and obedience to those in authority.
10. Severe discipline of members.
11. The religious system puts down other religions.
12. Closed communication: Information is only valid if it comes from the top of the religious system down, and from inside the system to the outside of it.
13. Leaving the religious system is painful and difficult.
14. Labeling: a technique used to discount a person who opposes the beliefs of the religious system, i.e., "apostates".
15. What you do is more important that who you are.
16. Love and acceptance are earned by doing certain things.
17. Scripture-twisting.
18. Scare tactics; focus on demons.
19. Threats to remove members from the group.
20. Members are misled into thinking the only safety is in the religious system.
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CULT, if JW ,how about Christ?
by happy man inwhen so much peopel say jw is a cult,comperd to the most religions we are very diffrent yes.. but if we go back to christ and was he was teching,you must say this was a cult to, he was telling he was the only one, a remark as you say on a cult, he was saying he come from the lord also a remark as you say,he was telling you must obey him also a remark on a cult as you say, he say if you dont se him as the son of the lord you have no life ,also a remark on a cult as you say,and he say he give his follower power from heaven, oups this is a very bigg remark on a cult.. littel confusing isnt is?
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When so much peopel say JW is a cult,comperd to the most religions we are very diffrent yes.
But if we go back to Christ and was he was teching,you must say this was a Cult to, he was telling he was the only one, a remark as you say on a cult, he was saying he come from the lord also a remark as you say,he was telling you must obey him also a remark on a cult as you say, he say if you dont se him as the son of the lord you have no life ,also a remark on a cult as you say,and he say he give his follower power from heaven, oups this is a very bigg remark on a cult.
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The Watchtower is NOT a false prophet .. yes/no
by refiners fire indoes a prophet have to claim to speak for "god" to be a false prophet?.
can he be a false prophet if he claims to speak for someone else who speaks to god?.
can he be a false prophet if he interprets a biblical prophet in a new way?.
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Read from the resoning of the scriptures,
site 108" we have never said that we are insperd profhets, we hade make misstaks,and we hade also some wrong expaktaitions."
BUT who else have tell the wordthat we have only ONE God,and hes name is Jehova,this confusing trinyti error is terribel messand none understand it.
Who else have unite people all over the word NONE,unik,who else TRY to follow the bibel,on moral things on not be a part of the word thing,
even the blood issu bibelsay dont take blood, none care.
And who say no to killing in war, UNIK.
this was only a few things that you forget,and this is the important thing,not if we beleive the kingdon comes now or later.
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advatage of being JW,to JT
by happy man ini send this in yesterday as an answer to jt, cant find it now so i put it inn again,i see also no real answer to my messege,only this crap that i am blind,i am not blind my eys are wide open,i think hate make some of you blind sometime, who comes that nobody take my topic and give me answers,i am waiting,and no blind talk peopel,evrything is not white and blake,and you have a point ther jt when you say i am inn here,i enen suggeston onother bord tha broklyn must have internet our on moday for exampel.i think this cuold bee very usefull,if there are problem you have a fantastic chans to see what it is about here.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
this post is a very good exampel on desinformation,and putt a messege.
you want to the reader widh taking forward only negative things,you can do this widh evrything, take only negative things never say anything good,but as human beeing we now that ther is a frontside and a backside, and this who only take one side and show this side as a fackt is a lier.. i have been jw fore many years,and i now that we have some things who not is so good,likte this dfd thing, this system´in cong who very easly hurt peopel, even if it is not the purpus.. then we have some good things, 6 millons who are brothers and sisters from all over the word, nationalism no politics, make us unik,.
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gravedancer.
i am to lacy to spell perfekt, tools never hird ,but perhaps my boys can help mee,i try to bee more perfekt on this,but even on sweed sites thy complaining on my spelling,hmmmmm
Frency.
Some good points, but we must find something better i have not.neyank.
well I think if all religions have been unsucsessfull perhaps the one who make this come truh tell you something about what is the truth,despite all problems.
This is a very important thing to se what fruit comes from the one and only, it is not only war,it is not taking part in politics, who is the hart of the problem i think, ONE PEOPEL ONE ERTH, no talk abaot we are better beaucause we live in Us or kina or germanym you no this german german uber alles.
thanks for your points, genarly i think many of you here put to much importans in belefe systems, not even the gissipels now who the kindom will be, "are you coming in this time lord?"
I give you one point,gov body is now very close to break important line,if they put more importans to this talk that they are the lords profhets, i think jehova will take care of this if they go over the line,like Salomo did for exampel. -
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advatage of being JW,to JT
by happy man ini send this in yesterday as an answer to jt, cant find it now so i put it inn again,i see also no real answer to my messege,only this crap that i am blind,i am not blind my eys are wide open,i think hate make some of you blind sometime, who comes that nobody take my topic and give me answers,i am waiting,and no blind talk peopel,evrything is not white and blake,and you have a point ther jt when you say i am inn here,i enen suggeston onother bord tha broklyn must have internet our on moday for exampel.i think this cuold bee very usefull,if there are problem you have a fantastic chans to see what it is about here.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
this post is a very good exampel on desinformation,and putt a messege.
you want to the reader widh taking forward only negative things,you can do this widh evrything, take only negative things never say anything good,but as human beeing we now that ther is a frontside and a backside, and this who only take one side and show this side as a fackt is a lier.. i have been jw fore many years,and i now that we have some things who not is so good,likte this dfd thing, this system´in cong who very easly hurt peopel, even if it is not the purpus.. then we have some good things, 6 millons who are brothers and sisters from all over the word, nationalism no politics, make us unik,.
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I send this in yesterday as an answer to Jt, cant find it now so i put it inn again,i see also no real answer to my messege,only this crap that i am blind,i am not blind my eys are wide open,i think hate make some of you blind sometime, who comes that nobody take my topic and give me answers,i am waiting,and no blind talk peopel,evrything is not white and blake,and you have a point ther JT when you say i am inn here,i enen suggeston onother bord tha broklyn must have internet our on moday for exampel.I think this cuold bee very usefull,if there are problem you have a fantastic chans to see what it is about here.
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this post is a very good exampel on desinformation,and putt a messege
you want to the reader widh taking forward only negative things,you can do this widh evrything, take only negative things never say anything good,but as human beeing we now that ther is a frontside and a backside, and this who only take one side and show this side as a fackt is a LIER.
I have been Jw fore many years,and I now that we have some things who not is so good,likte this dfd thing, this system´in cong who very easly hurt peopel, even if it is not the purpus.
Then we have some good things, 6 millons who are brothers and sisters from all over the word, nationalism no politics, make us UNIK,
never have a religon have the power to do things like this,make jew, arab,or any other anymie in this word FREINDS, unbelevebel it is.
None here want to say a word abuot this thing, JW are ONE NATION not sweds,not germans , not americans,we are all the same,same belife,same goal, and if you travel you find out his, you have friends allover, i have been in USA,in germany in spain, and other places this nice peopel who help you ,you can feel the spirit, dont say to mee JT that you never feel this . Some say JW are not alone,i dont agree,we are ALONE, none have come to this wordvide freedom of nationalsm, militarism, who have hurt mankind so terribel,as the organisation of Jehovas witneses. And you now the lord say you must bee brothers and love ech others, never understand who you can explain that this bigg religions fitt into this.
LOok at israel today,killing teribbel kriems from both sides,no JW taking part in this, ofcurse catolic does, protestan does, jew does musslim does, a lot of this so calld free borns Christian does.
Look on northern ireland,whats happen there where we have Christan peopel who killing ech other evry day,no JW are ther doing this, Catolic is participation, protestan are participaition, free christans are participation.
Look in former yuoguslavia, terribel murdering from all sides,but now JW was in this,and as i say before the most terribel krimes of all is this happening in ruwanda ,why, catolics was deeply involvd in this murdering, they have even admit it today, but no JW was in this mess.I dont say this because I want to boast, this have bee no easy thing and offers have beeb involvd,but I am very happy to bee involvd in this wordvide nation who have the strength and the power to go against this military madness we see all over tha word today. Must ask you what is the sulution of this,if not a international brotherhod who take away the nationasim poision, ONE PEOPEL ON THE EARTH,
This was one of the positive things never told on this sites, WHY JT.
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Witnesses at Target
by Aunty inis this happening anywhere else?
i'm in southern california and the jw's are sitting outside target at least twice a week with a table set up.
okay, when i was pioneering, this was a big no-no.
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Well Randy you hade brothers who you could trust this time, didnt you have that now.
Did you remember my qestion to you abauot where you stand in qestions on hell and war .As a JW we all now that you was follow bibel when it say dont bee like kain who killd hes brother,or even love your anymie.
I read an artikel on a swed apostat site ,this artikel was gloryfying war and say that it is not wrong to go out killing your fellow man,
They say you was the wrighter, they also say that you was beleving in hell as a warm place , and belevie that the lord do such things to man.
You say to mee in an answer that you dont belvie in this crap,if i understand you.But when i tell my swedish freinds who say they now you and even met you ,they say that to them you say unother thing so what is the truth, for me it sounds that you go from evel to worse, if you undestand what i meen. -
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Qestion to JT
by happy man inwhere did your post where you put in an old messege from norm go?.
was it taking away by the administrator and if so why?.
cant find it now.
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thank you very much, but i cant find thistopic on the bordwhen i look now, someone have take it away,but imm yuor link it come upp, thank you ,it was importantfor mee to read the answers.